Should the state have a role in amplifying innovation? If so, what should it do?

Welcome to Episode 59 of Everything is Everything, a weekly podcast hosted by Amit Varma and Ajay Shah.

In this episode, Ajay and Amit argue furiously about whether the state should spend its resources trying to make innovation happen. But while they disagree on the Why, they agree on what How and the What: the blueprint laid out in Ajay's brilliant paper with RA Mashelkar and Susan Thomas: [ Ссылка ]

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TABLE OF CONTENTS:
00:00 Packaging
00:13 Introduction: Bionic Man!
01:32 Chapter 1: Why Innovation
07:04 Chapter 2: Why Should the State Get Involved?
13:22 Chapter 3: Amit’s First Point of Skepticism
28:31 Chapter 4: What Should the State Do?
40:11 Chapter 5: How Should the State Enable Innovation?
57:28 Chapter 6: Amit’s Second Point of Skepticism
1:01:39 Chapter 7: Amit’s Third Point of Skepticism
1:06:42 Chapter 8: Case Study One: NASA
1:14:01 Chapter 9: Case Study Two: NIH
1:16:28 Chapter 10: Case Study Three: French Military R&D
1:18:26 Chapter 11: Case Study Four: NMITLI in India
1:19:57 Chapter 12: The Path to Change
1:27:54 Chapter 13: Recommendations

USEFUL RESOURCES:
1. Amit on Twitter: [ Ссылка ]
2. Ajay on Twitter: [ Ссылка ]
3. The Seen and the Unseen -- Amit's audio podcast: [ Ссылка ]
(Also on all podcast apps. And YouTube, though less than 1% of listens come from here: [ Ссылка ])
4. Ajay's organisation, XKDR Forum, on YouTube: [ Ссылка ]
5. In Service of the Republic -- Vijay Kelkar and Ajay Shah: [ Ссылка ]
6. The Art of Clear Writing -- Amit's writing course: [ Ссылка ]
7. The India Uncut Newsletter -- Amit's newsletter at [ Ссылка ]
8. Rethinking innovation policy in India: Amplifying spillovers through contracting-out -- RA Mashelkar, Ajay Shah and Susan Thomas: [ Ссылка ]
9. Where Has All the Infrastructure Gone? -- Episode 55 of Everything is Everything: [ Ссылка ]
10. A Deep Dive Into Education -- Episode 56 of Everything is Everything: [ Ссылка ]
11. Fixing the Knowledge Society -- Episode 24 of Everything is Everything: [ Ссылка ]
12. Understanding the State -- Episode 25 of Everything is Everything: [ Ссылка ]
13. When Should the State Act? -- Episode 26 of Everything is Everything: [ Ссылка ]
14. Every Act of Government Is an Act of Violence -- Amit Varma: [ Ссылка ]
15. The industry structure of India's large firms: IT is the biggest industry -- Ajay Shah: [ Ссылка ]
16. The Problem With Digital Public Goods -- Episode 56 of Everything is Everything: [ Ссылка ]
17. Why Freedom Matters -- Episode 10 of Everything is Everything: [ Ссылка ]
18. The Life and Times of the Indian Economy — Episode 387 of The Seen and the Unseen (w Rajeswari Sengupta): [ Ссылка ]
19. Covid-19 in the tropics: How will high heat and humidity shape the outcomes? -- Suja Thomas: [ Ссылка ]
20. Mosquitoes As Big As A Bus -- Amit Varma: [ Ссылка ]
21. Biju Rao Won’t Bow to Conventional Wisdom -- Episode 392 of The Seen and the Unseen: [ Ссылка ]
22. India Needs Decentralization -- Episode 47 of Everything is Everything: [ Ссылка ]
23. The Martian -- Ridley Scott: [ Ссылка ]
24. How to Do Development -- Episode 57 of Everything is Everything: [ Ссылка ]
25. When Ideas Have Sex -- Matt Ridley: [ Ссылка ]
26. Why Does It Always Rain On Me? -- Travis: [ Ссылка ]
27. Only Happy When It Rains -- Garbage: [ Ссылка ]
28. Public Finance at XKDR: [ Ссылка ]
29. How Innovation Works: And Why It Flourishes in Freedom -- Matt Ridley: [ Ссылка ]
30. Why Talent Comes in Clusters -- Episode 8 of Everything is Everything: [ Ссылка ]

Produced by Amit Varma
Shot by Vaishnav Vyas and Nomsita MS Haritashya: [ Ссылка ]
Edited by Nomsita MS Haritashya: [ Ссылка ]
Thanks to Gaurav Chintamani for helping with sound: [ Ссылка ]
Chapter image by Simahina: [ Ссылка ]

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