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In the 5th century BC, the Greek historian Thucydides chronicled the Peloponnesian War (431–404 BC), a conflict between Athens, a rising power, and Sparta, the established ruling power. Thucydides famously concluded that "it was the rise of Athens and the fear it instilled in Sparta that made war inevitable."
Today, 2,400 years later, we face a similar situation: will a rising China and an uneasy America follow the same path?
Can these two nations avoid falling into the 'Thucydides Trap'?
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About Luminary:
Graham Allison, former Director of Harvard Kennedy School's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs, is a bestselling author of "Destined for War: America, China, and Thucydides's Trap" (2017). As the founding dean of the Harvard Kennedy School, Dr. Allison served as Assistant Secretary of Defense and advised defense secretaries from Reagan to Obama. He has received the Department of Defense's Distinguished Public Service Medal twice and serves on advisory boards for the Secretary of State and Secretary of Defense.
About the Host:
Gita Wirjawan is an Indonesian entrepreneur, educator, and Honorary Professor of Politics and International Relations at the School of Politics and International Relations, University of Nottingham. He is also a visiting scholar at The Shorenstein Asia-Pacific Research Center (APARC) at Stanford University (2022—2024) and a fellow at Harvard Kennedy School's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs.
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Content:
00:00 - Intro
03:28 - Why is the recent Xi-Biden meeting important?
09:15 - "Nuclear war cannot be won"
18:17 - Kissinger’s AI deterrence
29:13 - China-Russia axis
35:56 - US-China's influence in Southeast Asia
42:20 - Lee Kuan Yew's leadership
45:38 - Redefining democracy
49:50 - Meritocracy
53:15 - Japan in the current global politics
57:27 - Silicon Shield
