So I'd be in my bedroom listening to audio tapes and we go to the library every two weeks and we'd take the tapes back and we'd get new tapes and I'd bring them and listen to them again But you rolled the clock forward 20 years and what's the 2023 version of an audio tape It's a podcast It's a podcast That's right A lot of the things that you love and value in yourself in adulthood are the light side of something that you were ashamed fearful disgusted by when you were younger Yeah I mean I think that comes from overcoming A lot of people you know wonder how did you become this How did you become so vulnerable How are you doing a podcast now when you were this kid You overcame things You fought them

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