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In this conversation between Zuby and Michael Shellenberger, they discuss the modern manifestation of religious impulses in secular society. They observe how various movements, from woke culture to pandemic responses, often adopt religious fervor. Shellenberger notes a softening of views towards traditional religions like Christianity, even among former atheists or agnostics.

They explore how the rejection of traditional religions hasn't led to the expected hyper-rational, kinder world but has instead left a void filled with secular, often divisive beliefs. They touch on media portrayals of religion, noting a lack of positive depictions. The conversation extends to the emergence of new secular "religions," such as the UFO movement, which draws in those seeking meaning outside traditional religious structures. Overall, they reflect on the human tendency towards religious or spiritual seeking and how it manifests in various forms in contemporary society.

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