(Conversation recorded on April 24th, 2024)
Show Summary:
Engaging with the human predicament requires new ways of understanding the world - novel perspectives that are rooted in a more holistic and interdependent mindset than those dominant in the industrialized society of the past few centuries.
Today’s conversation with philosopher and social scientist Jonathan Rowson dives into the emerging ways of being that could serve us as we move toward a post-growth world, including what he has found particularly helpful in his decades of work studying the metacrisis.
In a world of (often siloed) hyper-specific experts, how would valuing the role of the “expert generalist” both change the face of academia and help us understand the world from a more holistic systems perspective? How does metamodernism merge the best of modernism and postmodernism to create a more comprehensive and constructive view of reality? How do we find and embrace our calling in the context of the metacrisis in order to take purposeful action forward?
About Jonathan Rowson:
Jonathan Rowson is the Co-Founder and Chief Executive of Perspectiva, a publishing house and praxis collective based primarily in London. Perspectiva describes itself as an urgent one-hundred-year project to improve the relationship between systems, souls, and society in theory and practice. Jonathan is a philosopher and social scientist by academic training and has degrees from Oxford, Harvard and Bristol Universities. He has written extensively on the idea of metacrisis as our multifaceted delusion, and he is increasingly focused on experiments in community and spiritual praxis to help shift socio-economic immunity to change. He is an Open Society Fellow and a Fellow at The Centre for the Understanding of Sustainable Prosperity at the University of Surrey. In his prior role as Director of the Social Brain Centre at the Royal Society of Arts he authored influential research reports including A New Agenda on Climate Change, Money Talks, and Spiritualise. He is also a Chess Grandmaster and three-time British Champion (2004–6) and views the game as a continuing source of insight and inspiration. His book, The Moves that Matter – A Grandmaster on the Game of Life was published by Bloomsbury in 2019.
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00:00:00 - Introduction
00:02:11 - Jonathan's Background
00:07:30 - Expert Generalists
00:14:48 - Metacrisis vs. Polycrisis
00:20:27 - Feeling the Metacrisis
00:25:06 - Chess and Life
00:29:27 - Metamodernism
00:36:06 - The Path to Reconstruction
00:43:05 - Advice for Individuals
00:50:15 - Progress
00:53:05 - Critique, Vision, and Method
00:55:26 - Collective Individuation
00:59:27 - Working in the Metacrisis Space
01:03:00 - Pre-Tragic, Tragic, and Post-Tragic
01:08:33 - Connecting with Others
01:16:51 - Certainty
01:19:04 - The Flip, the Formation, and the Fun
01:22:11 - Metacrisis Chess Strategy
01:25:14 - Closing Questions
