Len Ainsworth is a 94-year-old billionaire famous for founding one of the biggest poker machine companies in the world, Aristocrat.
Much later in life, when it was out of his hands, he started a rival company called Ainsworth. He's made two fortunes, had seven sons to two wives and is the icon of one of the most controversial legal industries in the world.
So what does he have to say when he hears from people who have lost everything to the pokies? Find out on 'How Do You Sleep At Night?' - a new ABC podcast hosted by Sarah McVeigh. ab.co/2vSMPWd
