My conversation with Joe, co-hosted with Jeff (JT) Tounge about his musical career that has led him to Nashville, and how that path has adapted over time.

Chapters
0:00 Intro
0:29 Let's go
0:44 Pickleball
01:32 13x31
03:47 6th love language
09:22 Mentorship
10:16 JT does trash talk
11:53 Being razzed more
12:58 Nail human emotions
17:15 Try this
18:22 By someone else
19:34 Being heard
20:17 Listen more than talk
20:12 I created songs
23:04 It doesn't matter
24:28 Writing melodies
26:57 Writing topline
27:41 Just an idea
31:10 Phrasing
31:27 Songwriting screws w/ your mind
34:45 Write their own songs
36:40 Writing hits
37:17 On paper I don't belong
39:00 Would you say that lyric?
40:56 Intentional & unpressured
46:40 Not knowing is the best
48:33 Don't think it's magic
49:48 Best writes, I say nothing
50:22 Joe's journey
52:49 All day, every day
53:58 Nashville?
58:00 Journey is the journey
59:45 Terrible decision, 6 figures
1:01:46 Not Portland
1:03:16 JT's perspective
1:04:49 Journey cont.
1:06:04 Hardest so far
1:07:31 Transition from percussion
1:10:01Have to work harder
1:11:47 Getting fired
1:12:50 2015 Music change
1:16:26 1st song
1:17:56 Exposing art
1:19:02 I can create
1:21:09 Screw it
1:21:55 Say yes, smooth sailing
1:23:48 Spencer Crandall
1:24:44 Delusional as strength
1:26:42 Comfortable w/ uncomfortable
1:28:00 Dreams as teacher
1:29:44 No room to not show up
1:31:51 Talent is overrated
1:34:41 Full calendar
1:35:45 Love & difficult
1:39:20 Pre-gaming creativity
1:40:19 13x31 in it
1:41:53 Asking pre-gaming again
1:44:02 Finally Joe answers
1:48:53 Used to do that thing
1:52:31 Doer vs sayer
1:55:08 Telling & dopamine
1:57:16 Told you so
2:01:36 Paying it forward
2:02:49 Inspire, think & learn
2:04:34 Tough love
2:06:57 Step 1 start
2:09:20 How to say no
2:10:26 Happy for others success
2:13:45 Closing
2:15:20 Bloopers

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