Jesus said in John 8:38, “I speak what I have seen with my Father, and you do what you have seen with your father.”
Some Trinitarians imagine that Jesus as a Son was actually seeing things with his Father before his birth in Bethlehem. But nothing in John 8:38 states that the Son was actually seeing things in the Father’s presence prior to his birth. If we look at the literal sentence structure in context, it would be just as easy to assume that the Pharisees saw things with their father the devil before their births.
