Please join us for a panel discussion regarding a recent two-day LDS multi-Stake training in Canada focused on understanding LGBTQ members -- led by faithful gay Mormon podcasters Charlie Bird and Ben Schilaty (hosts of "Questions From the Closet" podcast).
Is the Church losing too many members over its antagonism towards LGBTQ people and rights? Does this training represent a "Gay Mormon Rescue," reminiscent of the Swedish Rescue and Boise Rescue from previous years? What aspects of this training are groundbreaking and should be celebrated? Is this a local/grass-roots effort or is it sanctioned by top LDS Church leadership?
Panel Members:
Kyle Ashworth [ Ссылка ]
Julia Sanders [ Ссылка ]
Gerardo Sumano
Maven [ Ссылка ]
CHAPTERS
00:00:00 Intro & panel
00:09:40 Background info on use of the term “Rescue”
00:17:45 Mormon Homophobic History recap
00:20:00 Gay Mormon Currency
00:28:00 2015 Policy Fiasco
00:32:00 Excommunication push for gay & lesbian couples
00:33:00 Positive Steps
00:41:45 Charlie & Ben
00:49:00 Stake & Stake Pres
00:51:30 Clip: Opening Prayer
00:55:30 Clip: Stake Pres Engen introduces fireside
01:05:45 Clip: Temple Recommends and LGBTQ Support
01:10:00 How confusing it is for an average Mormon to navigate what to think
01:18:05 Clip: How to love & support LGBTQ members
01:20:30 Magnitude of an openly gay man being allowed to teach LGBTQ issues
01:32:30 Clip: Passive Suicidal Ideation
01:38:45 Clip: Assume LGBTQ members are in every class/lesson
01:43:00 Clip: Black/White thinking doesn’t work
01:46:05 The great faith of gay members who still show up despite rejection
01:48:00 Clip: Mini-quiz
01:56:00 Clip: Personalized revelation
01:59:45 ACTUAL consequences of LGBTQ following “personal revelation”
02:09:25 Clip: Good Samaritans
02:10:30 Members needed to be Samaritans to help heal the wounds that come from the Apostles
02:19:15 Clip: When did the Church change its policies?
02:21:45 Clip: Gordon B. Hinckley “[Gays] have a problem”
02:31:00 Clip: Feared, pitied, honored
02:34:07 Clip: Why me?
02:37:15 “Gay to build the kingdom”
02:46:30 Clip: LGBT challenges from outside the Church
02:53:15 Kyle: I’m tired of living in triage-rescuing LGBTQ Saints who are hurt by the Church
02:55:45 “Living my best life” audacity
03:02:30 Great to see bigoted parents change
03:04:30 Clip: Should priesthood leaders be a safe place to come out?
03:14:15 Mormon LGBTQ “Love” = bringing them back to Mormonism”
03:21:30 Clip: Individual love vs Institutional hate
03:31:30 Clip: Elephant in the room - opportunity for intimacy
03:50:40 Attending Area Authority M. Travis Wolsey
03:57:45 Lightning Round
Episode Show Notes
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Mormon Church & LGBTQ News
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The Swedish Rescue Playlist [ Ссылка ]
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