Q: Can you describe and communicate your state?

UG: You see, the moment I try to communicate something, it is gone; it is only a shadow of it; that's not it.

Q: Is it an incommunicable experience?

UG: No, it cannot be experienced. You cannot communicate what you cannot experience. I don't want to use those words, because 'inexpressible' and 'incommunicable' imply that there is something which cannot be communicated, which cannot be expressed. I don't know. There is an assumption that there is something there which cannot be expressed, which cannot be communicated. There is nothing there. I don't want to say there is nothing there, because you will catch me — you will call it 'emptiness', 'void' and all that sort of thing. (Laughter)

I can only put it this way: whatever is there cannot be experienced — whether there is anything there, I don't know — I have no way of knowing it at all. To put it in your own Vedantic terminology, there is no such thing as the unknown at all. Whatever you know of what is called the 'unknown' is not the unknown. Whether there is any such thing as the unknown, I really don't know. Whatever you know of that unknown, whatever you experience of what you call the 'unknown', is not the unknown, because it has become part of your knowledge.

What do you want? Tell me, what is it? Look here, you can't ask for a thing which you don't know, and you don't know a thing about this — now or then — even assuming for a moment that you are an enlightened man, you have no way of knowing anything about it. This can never become a part of your knowledge.

This has understood that it is not possible to experience anything any more. I don't know if I quite make myself clear. The individuality, the isolation, the separation (or whatever you want to call it) is not there any more. What separates you, what isolates you, is your thought — it creates the frontiers, it creates the boundaries. And once the boundaries are not there, it is boundless, limitless. Not that you can experience that boundlessness and limitlessness of your consciousness; the content of your consciousness is so immense that you can't say anything about it. That is why I use the words "It's a state of not knowing." You really don't know. But how do you know that you do not know? It's not that you say to yourself that you do not know; but in relation to the ordinary state of consciousness you have no way of knowing that at all — nobody has any way. There is not even an attempt on your part to grasp something.

You don't accumulate experiences. If you want to experience one thing, the whole series of mysteries are there knocking on your door. That is not an experience at all. You are interested in experiencing the ultimate reality, truth, God, God knows what; but it's futile for you to attempt to experience a thing which you cannot experience. It doesn't mean that it is beyond the experiencing structure — "It's a thing which I cannot describe, which I cannot...." — you see, it's not all that stuff; the experiencing structure comes to an end. If you don't recognize what you are looking at — that flower as a flower, that rose as a rose — it means you are not there . What are you? You are nothing but a bundle of all these experiences, the knowledge you have about them.

U.G. Krishnamurti - members of the Hillside Church Group (6/6)

Recorded: Albuquerque, N.M., April 1992

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